Kellums & Grossi Podcast
Welcome to the Kellums & Grossi Podcast—where midlife gets real, raw, and ridiculously honest. Hosted by two passionate women who’ve lived a little (okay, a lot), we dive into the stuff everyone’s thinking about—but not always saying out loud. From sex and marriage in midlife to the hilariously unfiltered moments that just slip out, we bring laughter, heart, and meaningful conversation to every episode.
Fueled by social media scrolls and reels that make us say, “Okay, but seriously…,” we unpack life, love, friendship, health, and the occasional hot take—all with a glass in hand and zero judgment.
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Kellums & Grossi Podcast
Do Happy Couples Cheat?
In this episode, Amanda and I discuss the controversial claim made by Belgian-American psychotherapist Esther Perel in her popular TedTalk: Even happy couples cheat.
First, we cover the reasons Esther uncovered that lead to cheating, the risks of disconnection, and the rewards of connection.
Next, we bring in the research of relationship experts John Gottman
and Sue Johnson to help listeners understand how couples can avoid relational trauma. This is one you’ll want to share with friends and family!
Resources mentioned in today's show
“Why Happy Couples Cheat.” Esther Perel
“Hold Me Tight: Seven Conversations for a Lifetime of Love” by Dr. Sue Johnson.
“The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work” by John M. Gottman, PH.D
“Timing Is Everything When It Comes to Marriage Counseling.” The Gottman Institute
“Want To Avoid Divorce: Wait to get married, but not too long.” Nicholas H. Wolfhanger
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